How to win a Religion vs. Science debate! (for both…)

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Introduction

Many times people discuss about philosophy. And “religion vs. atheism” issues are one of the favorite topics of all times. This article will present simple things one has to do in order to win the debate in favor of both religion and science!!! Because they are both needed in order to understand the cosmos and each one has its own very specific scope…

RELATED ARTICLE: Summary of arguments in favor of Christianity (and against atheism/ agnosticism)

Philosophical Basis

Even though reading this article will provide you with some insight on the subject, the philosophical basis behind these rules are more complicated and are analyzed in the religion-related articles in this portal:

These articles are in constant update and will be glad if you read them and provided your own comments.

How to win a Religion vs. Science debate

Most debates can be won if one pays attention to specific simple things. Most of the times a lack of knowledge on very basic stuff is what makes the difference between someone who knows and someone who thinks he knows…

The purpose of this article is to set the proper foundations for a discussion about religion and science and not to answer every possible question an atheist might have concerning religion. For this, please consider reading the “How to debate atheists” article.

So let us begin…

1. Religion? What religion?

Socrates said that every time we talk about something we must first define it! So when one talks about religion he must first define it. Religion can be the “faith in the existence of a white-bearded man sitting in the clouds” or the “faith in the existence of a purpose in life” or the “faith in the existence of a First Cause which is the cause for the cosmos”. Stating your definition (and making your “opponent” state his definition) from the beginning will make it easier to handle the flow of the debate.

Related article: Peer Review. As in “censorship”

Religion for most people is anything BUT the stupid thing Dawkins thinks of and this is something you must point out from the start! Religion is about rules of being good, is about love, it is about faith in other humans et cetera. It is certainly NOT about replacing exact sciences! You never go to church to learn at how many degrees the water boils. Do you? On the other hand Science is for formulating models for predicting the behavior of physical systems. Not for finding out WHY we exist in the cosmos… Right?

2. Science? Which science?

When we talk about science we typically talk about “exact sciences”, e.g. physics, chemistry et cetera. Not all sciences can be used in favor of atheism. Science is the “systematic analysis of a sector” and not just measuring in a lab! There are many humanities sciences which recognize things that scientism-lovers would hate to see under the label “science”. For example Young’s theories about the collective subconscious are a nice example of someone who is a scientist but does not believe that we are just lifeless set of atoms. Atheists will try to convince others that Young is not a scientist and that is when you have to remember that science is not only about exact sciences!

3. Exact science and religion have limits!

A first thing to remember is that science (remember to your debator that we are talking about “exact science” only) has limits! It has a specific scope and more than a few limitations! (see the Limits of Science article in the list above). Exact science only works with things which are measurable. However not all things are! Actually the most important things in life (like love) are not! Exact science works with things that can be replicated in a lab! Not all things can! And so on and so forth… Science is important and helps us understand things! But not everything…

Related article: Science describes. Nothing more

In the same way religion has limits on its own! It is more a philosophical system of ethics with the goal of helping people and not a system of analyzing how the solar system works or how whales travel under water…

4. Respect the scope!

Both religion and science can co-exist if they learn to respect their limits. This is a very good and valid argument and will certainly give you points against a hardcore atheist who claims that everything is science and nothing else is valid! Belief in absolutes is what makes someone dogmatic. Many great scientists can think scientifically and religiously at the same time. Even the Interacademy Panel (IAP – Global network of Science Academies) stated those limitations (see here).

5. Hidden Axioms are dangerous…

Atheist scientism-lovers are too much attached to the “truthness” of science that they cannot see a very simple but very annoying truth: Everything is based on AXIOMS! And BY DEFINITION, an axioms is something we take for granted even though it is not proved it is correct! Everything, from mathematical logic to modern quantum physics, is based on such axioms! You will be surpsised on how many things we take for granted! Mathematical Logic for example is based on the postulate that “a logical proposition is EITHER true or false”. Someone might say that this is evident. But it is not! Dialetheism uses another axiom, that “a logical proposition can be BOTH true and false at the same time”! And based on that axiom it has created a whole new WORKING mathematical logic! Russell tried so hard to set sound foundations for logic and he completely failed. Axioms change whenever we like them to! They are not based on anything (no matter what atheists might say to you – just tell them the definition of an “Axiom” again and again) like many people think! Non-Euclidian geometries were surely also “illogical” for their time… Read the related to “dogmatism” and “axioms” articles in this portal for a more in-depth insight on these matters (you would be surprised to know that “time”, the notion of “change” are also dogmas we believe in).

6. The Logical arguments

If the person you are talking with is too much “stuck” with Logic, then you must tell him that the FOUNDER of Logic, Aristotle, had logical arguments in favor of the existence of a “First Cause” for the cosmos. This argument has its opponents of course. But which argument doesn’t?!?!? EVERY argument has people who do not believe it is logically sound. However REMIND your opponent that Logic is based on axioms. Depending on the axioms you choose, another “logic” appears! Who is more “valid”? Mine? Yours?

Related article: Consciousness. Science based on FAITH. Religion based on EXPERIENCE! (huh?)

For example we see about a dozen parameters of the Universe have a specific value to make it able to sustain life. One “solution” is to consider that by design. Another “solution” would be to consider that pure “luck”! Which one sounds more logical? Please… Atheists will claim that “the universe may exist just… because!” but this is hypocrisy. Science continually searches for the cause of everything. How can it be that when it comes to the cosmos it stops searching? [See Religion and Science Unification article for more on that] Accept the thinking of the other person if you want him to accept yours!

7. Science does not deal with the “important things”

The most important things in life are your relationship with other people. And modern science is too materialistic and agnostic to see that. It only deals with lifeless things. Why then have it so much in estimation when it does not help you at all with the things that matter? On the other hand good religion practitioners will try and help you with your personal problems, will try and provide you guidance with your problems. Will support you when in need. In the 2011 crisis in Greece, it was the Church which provided food for free to the homeless, not “science”…

8. The dark side of technology

Many times your friend might argue “but we have cd-players and Internet!” Isn’t that “progress”?!? Yes and No is the answer. The technology we have today helps us in many everyday things but again it does not deal with the IMPORTANT THINGS! I would prefer not to have a GPS and have love! What about you? Human problems are problems of trust, problems of personal communication. Sadly enough they are not solved through e.g. the Internet, as we now know… And what is more, it is important to remember that technology inventions are something different than science! Science is there to provide “models for prediction” not inventions! Most inventors were not even scientists at all! We may not have a complete quantum theory but the CD-player is working! And guess what! When the current theories will change, it will still continue to work no matter what!

Related article: Technology works! Science works! Well, NOT QUITE… (Technology and Science do NOT work!)

9. Fighting back the “Medicine argument”

Atheists will try to claim that modern Medicine is a great progress of man and that science is the one to thank for! But this is more false than you can imagine! See Why Medicine is NOT a pro-science argument. Religion is much closer to medicine than science!

10. The importance of intuition

Scientism addicts cannot stand any mention to “intuition”. They think everything is based on “logic” (which as we saw above is based on axioms) and evidence. However we have intuition as well. And intuition is much more fundamental than any other thing! It is intuition we rely upon in order to formulate the initial axioms we use in science! Both scientists and religious people use intuition. And we would be hypocrits if we denied its very existence…

11. The Arts argument

People like arts. In a way this is one of the few things which defines us as humans. How can science understand that? How can it understand why you may cry when you hear a loved song or why you could be thrilled when you see a painting? Being human is more about painting and poetry than it is about making microchips…

Related article: Why does life exist? A very scientific (and theological) response… (science still believes)

12. Overall – The burden of proof

All in all, people who believe that everything exists for no reason, that random mutation generate new useful information, that consciousness stems from the brain (remember the TV analogy! – read Harmonia Philosophica!), that love is only hormones, that we are just flesh and bones etc, must prove their case. Do not accept anything just because “science says so”. You must listen to the specific arguments. Most of the times people just repeat things they have heard somewhere without knowing any real argument in favor of what they support. Examine everything. Spare no one. Most of the times a simple innocent “Why?” will make the other guy stop being so arrogant and start searching on his own for answers.

Conclusion

Science and religion are two sides of the same coin, both seeking for the truth but from different perspectives. (Read Religion and Science unification for more on this) I could add much more arguments but I trust you will read them in the articles in this portal. For example many think science is good because it helps us gain “control” and I will be glad if you read Control-mania and Scientism… to see why this is wrong…

See the Harmonia Philosophica Articles for a full list of them.

In a sense all it takes to win such a debate is to remember that you are human and remind your co-debator that even though science is a useful and important tool in searching for some aspects of the cosmos, anything important that makes us humans has nothing to do with science per se… As simple as that.

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Author: skakos

Spiros Kakos (or Spyros Kakos or Spyridon Kakos) [Σπύρος Κάκος] is a thinker located in Athens, Greece. He has been the Chief Editor of Harmonia Philosophica since its inception. Spiros has a diploma in Chemical Engineering, an MSc in Advanced Materials' Technology, an MBA in Decisions' Science, a phD in the use of conductive polymers in PCB industry and is still learning. He also worked as a technical advisor and a researcher in the Advanced Materials sector for many years in the past. In his free time he develops software solutions and contributes to the open source community. He is the creator of Huo Chess, one of the smallest micro-chess programs ever that is perfect for educational purposes. He believes that science and religion are two sides of the same coin and is profoundly interested in Religion and Science philosophy, as well as the philosophy of the irrational. His philosophical work is mainly concentrated on an effort to free thinking of "logic" and reconcile all philosophical opinions under the umbrella of the "One" that Parmenides - one of the first thinkers - visualized. Since our thought is dictated by our assumptions, the only way to free it and know cosmos as it is, is to think irrationally and destroy everything we have built. The "Harmonia Philosophica" articles program is the tool that will accomplish that. Life's purpose is to be defeated by greater things. And the most important things in life are illogical. We must fight the dogmatic belief in "logic" if we are to stay humans. We should stop thinking in order to think. Credo quia absurdum!

46 thoughts on “How to win a Religion vs. Science debate! (for both…)”

  1. What do you mean? Science and religion are totally different and I don’t see how they fit together. Science explains everything, where is religion in everything explained by science? Is God just watching the scientific process of childbirth or evolution and getting all the credit?

    1. skakos – Athens, Greece – Spiros Kakos (or Spyros Kakos or Spyridon Kakos) [Σπύρος Κάκος] is a thinker located in Athens, Greece. He has been Chief Editor of Harmonia Philosophica since its inception. In the past he has worked as a senior technical advisor for many years. In his free time he develops software solutions and contributes to the open source community [Codeproject]. He is the creator of Huo Chess, one of the smallest micro-chess programs. He has also worked as a phD researcher in the Advanced Materials sector studying the use of PPy in the PCB industry. He likes reading and writting, not only philosophy but also in general. He believes that science and religion are two sides of the same coin and is profoundly interested in Religion and Science philosophy. His philosophical work is mainly concentrated on an effort to free thinking of "logic" and reconcile all philosophical opinions under the umbrella of the "One" that Parmenides - one of the first thinkers - visualized. The "Harmonia Philosophica" articles program is the tool that will accomplish that. Life's purpose is to be defeated by greater things. And the most important things in life are illogical. We must fight the dogmatic belief in "logic" if we are to stay humans... Credo quia absurdum!
      skakos says:

      What do you mean by “science explaining everything”?

    2. skakos – Athens, Greece – Spiros Kakos (or Spyros Kakos or Spyridon Kakos) [Σπύρος Κάκος] is a thinker located in Athens, Greece. He has been Chief Editor of Harmonia Philosophica since its inception. In the past he has worked as a senior technical advisor for many years. In his free time he develops software solutions and contributes to the open source community [Codeproject]. He is the creator of Huo Chess, one of the smallest micro-chess programs. He has also worked as a phD researcher in the Advanced Materials sector studying the use of PPy in the PCB industry. He likes reading and writting, not only philosophy but also in general. He believes that science and religion are two sides of the same coin and is profoundly interested in Religion and Science philosophy. His philosophical work is mainly concentrated on an effort to free thinking of "logic" and reconcile all philosophical opinions under the umbrella of the "One" that Parmenides - one of the first thinkers - visualized. The "Harmonia Philosophica" articles program is the tool that will accomplish that. Life's purpose is to be defeated by greater things. And the most important things in life are illogical. We must fight the dogmatic belief in "logic" if we are to stay humans... Credo quia absurdum!
      skakos says:

      Also please read my “Religion and Science unification” article to understand why your perception of what religion and science is could be flawed. Waiting for your comments.

  2. What do you mean? Science and religion are totally different and I don’t see how they fit together. Science explains everything, where is religion in everything explained by science? Is God just watching the scientific process of childbirth or evolution and getting all the credit?

    1. skakos – Athens, Greece – Spiros Kakos (or Spyros Kakos or Spyridon Kakos) [Σπύρος Κάκος] is a thinker located in Athens, Greece. He has been Chief Editor of Harmonia Philosophica since its inception. In the past he has worked as a senior technical advisor for many years. In his free time he develops software solutions and contributes to the open source community [Codeproject]. He is the creator of Huo Chess, one of the smallest micro-chess programs. He has also worked as a phD researcher in the Advanced Materials sector studying the use of PPy in the PCB industry. He likes reading and writting, not only philosophy but also in general. He believes that science and religion are two sides of the same coin and is profoundly interested in Religion and Science philosophy. His philosophical work is mainly concentrated on an effort to free thinking of "logic" and reconcile all philosophical opinions under the umbrella of the "One" that Parmenides - one of the first thinkers - visualized. The "Harmonia Philosophica" articles program is the tool that will accomplish that. Life's purpose is to be defeated by greater things. And the most important things in life are illogical. We must fight the dogmatic belief in "logic" if we are to stay humans... Credo quia absurdum!
      skakos says:

      Please refer to my comment above. (you have entered the same comment twice)

    1. skakos – Athens, Greece – Spiros Kakos (or Spyros Kakos or Spyridon Kakos) [Σπύρος Κάκος] is a thinker located in Athens, Greece. He has been Chief Editor of Harmonia Philosophica since its inception. In the past he has worked as a senior technical advisor for many years. In his free time he develops software solutions and contributes to the open source community [Codeproject]. He is the creator of Huo Chess, one of the smallest micro-chess programs. He has also worked as a phD researcher in the Advanced Materials sector studying the use of PPy in the PCB industry. He likes reading and writting, not only philosophy but also in general. He believes that science and religion are two sides of the same coin and is profoundly interested in Religion and Science philosophy. His philosophical work is mainly concentrated on an effort to free thinking of "logic" and reconcile all philosophical opinions under the umbrella of the "One" that Parmenides - one of the first thinkers - visualized. The "Harmonia Philosophica" articles program is the tool that will accomplish that. Life's purpose is to be defeated by greater things. And the most important things in life are illogical. We must fight the dogmatic belief in "logic" if we are to stay humans... Credo quia absurdum!
      skakos says:

      You do not make any sense, but whatever. I approved the post in case this makes sense to somebody else. You are free to elaborate if you want.

  3. Sorry for the spelling errors. Wrote all of this on my cracked iphone 😛

    And did you know in the bible in Revalations (end times) it says that the Knowledge of man shall increase in the last days?
    Now how could have it have known that? Unless someone time traveled back 2000 years ago and decided to write it in a book. Which most people don’t believe in time travel anyway.

    1. skakos – Athens, Greece – Spiros Kakos (or Spyros Kakos or Spyridon Kakos) [Σπύρος Κάκος] is a thinker located in Athens, Greece. He has been Chief Editor of Harmonia Philosophica since its inception. In the past he has worked as a senior technical advisor for many years. In his free time he develops software solutions and contributes to the open source community [Codeproject]. He is the creator of Huo Chess, one of the smallest micro-chess programs. He has also worked as a phD researcher in the Advanced Materials sector studying the use of PPy in the PCB industry. He likes reading and writting, not only philosophy but also in general. He believes that science and religion are two sides of the same coin and is profoundly interested in Religion and Science philosophy. His philosophical work is mainly concentrated on an effort to free thinking of "logic" and reconcile all philosophical opinions under the umbrella of the "One" that Parmenides - one of the first thinkers - visualized. The "Harmonia Philosophica" articles program is the tool that will accomplish that. Life's purpose is to be defeated by greater things. And the most important things in life are illogical. We must fight the dogmatic belief in "logic" if we are to stay humans... Credo quia absurdum!
      skakos says:

      Trying to understand something, actually destroys it as Shestov said. Our mania to fit everything we live into the little boxes we have into our mind, tears our world apart…

  4. It actually says in the Bible that God hates Religion..

    People giving credit to the creation (lets say science) but ignoring the creator. Is like Kids ignoring that they have parents lol

    And its not really true that “religion” causes wars. Which century would you say has held the most non believers? Yep thats right the last one. There has never been a time where Man has seperated itself from God. And we have seen some of the most bloodiest wars in the last 100 years. The chinese and russion revolution, wars in the middle east and africa. Vietnam wars. Thats about 200 million people dead. And had nothing to do with Faith. But greed, power, land, oil.

    1. skakos – Athens, Greece – Spiros Kakos (or Spyros Kakos or Spyridon Kakos) [Σπύρος Κάκος] is a thinker located in Athens, Greece. He has been Chief Editor of Harmonia Philosophica since its inception. In the past he has worked as a senior technical advisor for many years. In his free time he develops software solutions and contributes to the open source community [Codeproject]. He is the creator of Huo Chess, one of the smallest micro-chess programs. He has also worked as a phD researcher in the Advanced Materials sector studying the use of PPy in the PCB industry. He likes reading and writting, not only philosophy but also in general. He believes that science and religion are two sides of the same coin and is profoundly interested in Religion and Science philosophy. His philosophical work is mainly concentrated on an effort to free thinking of "logic" and reconcile all philosophical opinions under the umbrella of the "One" that Parmenides - one of the first thinkers - visualized. The "Harmonia Philosophica" articles program is the tool that will accomplish that. Life's purpose is to be defeated by greater things. And the most important things in life are illogical. We must fight the dogmatic belief in "logic" if we are to stay humans... Credo quia absurdum!
      skakos says:

      People nowadays have a very distorted idea on what “free thinking” or “enlightened thought” is. For me, believing that you are nothing more than a complicated stone is neither scientific nor “free thinking”…

  5. It’s all well and good to have this debate, but does it really matter? If religion doesn’t exist, people will still believe in it and will still draw their morals and so on from their holy text of choice. In a lot of ways, proving one side of this debate is akin to forcing that belief upon someone who believes the contrary. A good debate, and interesting to ponder, but is it necessary?

    1. skakos – Athens, Greece – Spiros Kakos (or Spyros Kakos or Spyridon Kakos) [Σπύρος Κάκος] is a thinker located in Athens, Greece. He has been Chief Editor of Harmonia Philosophica since its inception. In the past he has worked as a senior technical advisor for many years. In his free time he develops software solutions and contributes to the open source community [Codeproject]. He is the creator of Huo Chess, one of the smallest micro-chess programs. He has also worked as a phD researcher in the Advanced Materials sector studying the use of PPy in the PCB industry. He likes reading and writting, not only philosophy but also in general. He believes that science and religion are two sides of the same coin and is profoundly interested in Religion and Science philosophy. His philosophical work is mainly concentrated on an effort to free thinking of "logic" and reconcile all philosophical opinions under the umbrella of the "One" that Parmenides - one of the first thinkers - visualized. The "Harmonia Philosophica" articles program is the tool that will accomplish that. Life's purpose is to be defeated by greater things. And the most important things in life are illogical. We must fight the dogmatic belief in "logic" if we are to stay humans... Credo quia absurdum!
      skakos says:

      The best debate is the one you don’t have. Religion doesn’t have to prove it self to anyone. Nor does Science. They are both excellent ways of thinking and together they fulfill our need for thinking towards the One we all seek.

  6. I know that science is amazing as without the theories and reasoning of life humans wouldn’t be progressing. But the question is whether we need that progression? Since the first man stepped on the moon there were numerous technologies involved which required million of dollars and health risks for the whole human race, but they still did it. Again the question is whether is was an essential task? Millions of children die due to poverty all around the world, but the money was just needed for science to proof that they need to know very thing. I love science myself, but sometimes you have to wonder whether science itself can end human race one day because everything that science invents is harmful to the environment and all of us as well.

    Now I am from a religious family and a Muslim. I don’t believe in anything until I have supporting evidence to it. As fossils are evidence for evolution, Quran is the evidence for me. I have compared science aspects and Quran aspects and the things that we are predicting now was predicted long time ago, but furthur investigation was needed for people to understand it. There is also the body of Firaun also known as pharaoh from prophet Moses times, his body hasn’t fully decomposed as his punishment from Allah was that neither earth nor sea would accept his body and therefore he is stored in the Egypt museum. Look him up you’ll be amazed. Numerous scientists have tried to drown him, but miraculously his body springs up. Now that is a proof. There is no verse in the quran that has made me think it is wrong till now and the ones that I got confused in were explained to me by amzing scholars. So do check out some of the verses and than you will realsie that science is not the only thing that can explain everything.

    1. skakos – Athens, Greece – Spiros Kakos (or Spyros Kakos or Spyridon Kakos) [Σπύρος Κάκος] is a thinker located in Athens, Greece. He has been Chief Editor of Harmonia Philosophica since its inception. In the past he has worked as a senior technical advisor for many years. In his free time he develops software solutions and contributes to the open source community [Codeproject]. He is the creator of Huo Chess, one of the smallest micro-chess programs. He has also worked as a phD researcher in the Advanced Materials sector studying the use of PPy in the PCB industry. He likes reading and writting, not only philosophy but also in general. He believes that science and religion are two sides of the same coin and is profoundly interested in Religion and Science philosophy. His philosophical work is mainly concentrated on an effort to free thinking of "logic" and reconcile all philosophical opinions under the umbrella of the "One" that Parmenides - one of the first thinkers - visualized. The "Harmonia Philosophica" articles program is the tool that will accomplish that. Life's purpose is to be defeated by greater things. And the most important things in life are illogical. We must fight the dogmatic belief in "logic" if we are to stay humans... Credo quia absurdum!
      skakos says:

      Your comment is very interesting. I have heard before of things written in the Quaran and I must admit I am quite ignorant of what it says. Only things I have heard from other people. Hope I have the opportunity to study it some day. It seems like a document with a lot of ancient wisdom in it.

  7. When considering the history of religion, consider it the repeated attempt to provide humanity with an objective ethical system and moral integrity which evolution uas ansd is unable to offer, what today we might call sustainability.

    “it would have made us correct the first time. ” That was probably the case, but that ‘correctness’ was predicated upon a single moral law which man was unable to hold to. Thus the ‘Fall’. Now appears as if that correction is being offered one last time and the implications for progress through human moral and intellectual development are profound.

  8. it seems to me, if there were a perfect omnipotent being that created us, it would have made us correct the first time. there should not be any need for correction in any way, ever…if this being was wrong when it created us, then it is truly not a god, as god should be prefect. if it created us imperfectly on purpose to test us, then that is just evil…i’ll just leave it at that.

  9. But what is that which can be “tested” and “confirmed”?

    For those honest enough with themselves to understand that our species is unsustainable and requires new moral/spiritual insight and development. This is the only perfectly objective measure of what we are as human beings, a test of our values, aspirations and the Promise [Word] made by God to correct the deficiency.

    “as a direct individual intervention into the natural world by omnipotent power to confirm divine will, command and covenant, “correcting human nature by a change in natural law, altering biology, consciousness and human ethical perception beyond all natural evolutionary boundaries.” This will represent a paradigm change in the nature of faith and in the moral and intellectual potential of human nature itself. 

  10. skakos – Athens, Greece – Spiros Kakos (or Spyros Kakos or Spyridon Kakos) [Σπύρος Κάκος] is a thinker located in Athens, Greece. He has been Chief Editor of Harmonia Philosophica since its inception. In the past he has worked as a senior technical advisor for many years. In his free time he develops software solutions and contributes to the open source community [Codeproject]. He is the creator of Huo Chess, one of the smallest micro-chess programs. He has also worked as a phD researcher in the Advanced Materials sector studying the use of PPy in the PCB industry. He likes reading and writting, not only philosophy but also in general. He believes that science and religion are two sides of the same coin and is profoundly interested in Religion and Science philosophy. His philosophical work is mainly concentrated on an effort to free thinking of "logic" and reconcile all philosophical opinions under the umbrella of the "One" that Parmenides - one of the first thinkers - visualized. The "Harmonia Philosophica" articles program is the tool that will accomplish that. Life's purpose is to be defeated by greater things. And the most important things in life are illogical. We must fight the dogmatic belief in "logic" if we are to stay humans... Credo quia absurdum!
    skakos says:

    @ScienceDefined – Regarding evolving theories:

    Theories do change all the time. But they do not change in a linear-evolution sort of way. When paradigm shifts occur, most of the times the old theory is completely replaced by another theory which is based on entirely different premises that the previous one. Take for example the theory of gravity of Newton and that of Einstein. Do not get fooled by the fact that the latter was more precise than the former: this is what creating a new theory means. You simply make your theory match better with the experimental data you have. However one theory was based on “instant attraction from distance” and the other on “curved spacetime”…

    1. And a paradigm shift is exactly what’s starting right now in the religious milieu. With the aim of replacing the existing ‘faith’ paradigm of an all too human theological based dogma and doctrine with one of true revealed insight into the human condition, not of human intellectual origin, but one that can be tested, demonstrated and confirmed.

      1. skakos – Athens, Greece – Spiros Kakos (or Spyros Kakos or Spyridon Kakos) [Σπύρος Κάκος] is a thinker located in Athens, Greece. He has been Chief Editor of Harmonia Philosophica since its inception. In the past he has worked as a senior technical advisor for many years. In his free time he develops software solutions and contributes to the open source community [Codeproject]. He is the creator of Huo Chess, one of the smallest micro-chess programs. He has also worked as a phD researcher in the Advanced Materials sector studying the use of PPy in the PCB industry. He likes reading and writting, not only philosophy but also in general. He believes that science and religion are two sides of the same coin and is profoundly interested in Religion and Science philosophy. His philosophical work is mainly concentrated on an effort to free thinking of "logic" and reconcile all philosophical opinions under the umbrella of the "One" that Parmenides - one of the first thinkers - visualized. The "Harmonia Philosophica" articles program is the tool that will accomplish that. Life's purpose is to be defeated by greater things. And the most important things in life are illogical. We must fight the dogmatic belief in "logic" if we are to stay humans... Credo quia absurdum!
        skakos says:

        But what is that which can be “tested” and “confirmed”? Every scientific theory is based on arbitraty axioms selected on pure free will. And axioms change all the time. The only thing science has proved is that it cannot prove everything (thanks Godel for that)…

  11. skakos – Athens, Greece – Spiros Kakos (or Spyros Kakos or Spyridon Kakos) [Σπύρος Κάκος] is a thinker located in Athens, Greece. He has been Chief Editor of Harmonia Philosophica since its inception. In the past he has worked as a senior technical advisor for many years. In his free time he develops software solutions and contributes to the open source community [Codeproject]. He is the creator of Huo Chess, one of the smallest micro-chess programs. He has also worked as a phD researcher in the Advanced Materials sector studying the use of PPy in the PCB industry. He likes reading and writting, not only philosophy but also in general. He believes that science and religion are two sides of the same coin and is profoundly interested in Religion and Science philosophy. His philosophical work is mainly concentrated on an effort to free thinking of "logic" and reconcile all philosophical opinions under the umbrella of the "One" that Parmenides - one of the first thinkers - visualized. The "Harmonia Philosophica" articles program is the tool that will accomplish that. Life's purpose is to be defeated by greater things. And the most important things in life are illogical. We must fight the dogmatic belief in "logic" if we are to stay humans... Credo quia absurdum!
    skakos says:

    @ScienceDefined – Regarding technology:

    Yes, technology helps us. But is that “science”? Most inventors were not scientists in the official meaning of the word. And in any case, does technology solve the truly important problems you have? Great problems of humans are problems of compassion, problems of communication, problems of understanding…

  12. skakos – Athens, Greece – Spiros Kakos (or Spyros Kakos or Spyridon Kakos) [Σπύρος Κάκος] is a thinker located in Athens, Greece. He has been Chief Editor of Harmonia Philosophica since its inception. In the past he has worked as a senior technical advisor for many years. In his free time he develops software solutions and contributes to the open source community [Codeproject]. He is the creator of Huo Chess, one of the smallest micro-chess programs. He has also worked as a phD researcher in the Advanced Materials sector studying the use of PPy in the PCB industry. He likes reading and writting, not only philosophy but also in general. He believes that science and religion are two sides of the same coin and is profoundly interested in Religion and Science philosophy. His philosophical work is mainly concentrated on an effort to free thinking of "logic" and reconcile all philosophical opinions under the umbrella of the "One" that Parmenides - one of the first thinkers - visualized. The "Harmonia Philosophica" articles program is the tool that will accomplish that. Life's purpose is to be defeated by greater things. And the most important things in life are illogical. We must fight the dogmatic belief in "logic" if we are to stay humans... Credo quia absurdum!
    skakos says:

    @ScienceDefined – Concerning science and axioms:

    Science is based on axioms and axioms are chosen based on our own free will. No rules apply when defining an axiom out of nothing. This does have a great impact on the true nature of science. Whether one likes that or not that is another thing. What we are accustomed to, is difficult to un-learn…

  13. skakos – Athens, Greece – Spiros Kakos (or Spyros Kakos or Spyridon Kakos) [Σπύρος Κάκος] is a thinker located in Athens, Greece. He has been Chief Editor of Harmonia Philosophica since its inception. In the past he has worked as a senior technical advisor for many years. In his free time he develops software solutions and contributes to the open source community [Codeproject]. He is the creator of Huo Chess, one of the smallest micro-chess programs. He has also worked as a phD researcher in the Advanced Materials sector studying the use of PPy in the PCB industry. He likes reading and writting, not only philosophy but also in general. He believes that science and religion are two sides of the same coin and is profoundly interested in Religion and Science philosophy. His philosophical work is mainly concentrated on an effort to free thinking of "logic" and reconcile all philosophical opinions under the umbrella of the "One" that Parmenides - one of the first thinkers - visualized. The "Harmonia Philosophica" articles program is the tool that will accomplish that. Life's purpose is to be defeated by greater things. And the most important things in life are illogical. We must fight the dogmatic belief in "logic" if we are to stay humans... Credo quia absurdum!
    skakos says:

    @ScienceDefined – Regarding cold scientists and emotions:

    Indeed science is all about methods. I agree with that. However what does a scientific method teach us? It teaches us how to create good scientific models to describe the world. It does not in any way help us understand the true “nature” of what we analyze. When we analyze emotions in a lab, then we may find a very good model to describe how neurons may trigger to make us feel sad, but this model will never be able to actually tell us anything about the true emotion.

  14. you lot put way too much thought into this.. I’m an atheist, I think all religions are just a load of crap. And I work for a church! but I keep my mouth shut and deal with it. I let others believe it because its their sense of purpose in this world. I believe myself to be a good person, but you dont need religion to fulfill this… both sides have arguments (as much as i disagree) and we are gonna have to live beside one another and they can spend their life how they want. as long as I can live mine and have fun while I can.

    1. skakos – Athens, Greece – Spiros Kakos (or Spyros Kakos or Spyridon Kakos) [Σπύρος Κάκος] is a thinker located in Athens, Greece. He has been Chief Editor of Harmonia Philosophica since its inception. In the past he has worked as a senior technical advisor for many years. In his free time he develops software solutions and contributes to the open source community [Codeproject]. He is the creator of Huo Chess, one of the smallest micro-chess programs. He has also worked as a phD researcher in the Advanced Materials sector studying the use of PPy in the PCB industry. He likes reading and writting, not only philosophy but also in general. He believes that science and religion are two sides of the same coin and is profoundly interested in Religion and Science philosophy. His philosophical work is mainly concentrated on an effort to free thinking of "logic" and reconcile all philosophical opinions under the umbrella of the "One" that Parmenides - one of the first thinkers - visualized. The "Harmonia Philosophica" articles program is the tool that will accomplish that. Life's purpose is to be defeated by greater things. And the most important things in life are illogical. We must fight the dogmatic belief in "logic" if we are to stay humans... Credo quia absurdum!
      skakos says:

      Thanks for the comment. I do believe that everyone can and should live harminically with everyone. Discussion and writting arguments never hurt anyone. However it is not that religions gives a sense of purpose in the world. It is BECAUSE you feel you have a purpose in the world that makes it so difficult to believe someone telling you that you are just an accident of nature…

    2. amen brother…sorry, hahaha. i agree with your post. i believe in live and let live as far as religion, as long as people don’t push it on everyone. i raise my kids my way, you raise your kids your way and we let time and attrition solve the debate…sound like a plan?

  15. I would suggest that the science vs religion debate has already been resolved, but I doubt that either side will appreciate the means to those ends! And religion, as we know it, is the bigger loser but for a most unexpected reason:

    The first wholly new interpretation for two thousand years of the moral teachings of Christ is published on the web. Radically different from anything else we know of from history, this new teaching is predicated upon a precise and predefined experience and called ‘the first Resurrection’ in the sense that the Resurrection of Jesus was intended to demonstrate Gods’ willingness to real Himself and intervene directly into the natural world for those obedient to His will. Thus a direct individual intervention into the natural world by omnipotent power to confirm divine will, command and covenant, “correcting human nature by a change in natural law, altering biology, consciousness and human ethical perception beyond all natural evolutionary boundaries.” So like it or no, a new religious claim, testable by faith, meeting all Enlightenment criteria of evidence based causation and definitive proof now exists. Nothing short of a religious revolution is getting under way. More info at http://www.energon.org.uk
    http://soulgineering.com/2011/05/22/the-final-freedoms/

    I’ve already test and confirmed this teaching!

    1. skakos – Athens, Greece – Spiros Kakos (or Spyros Kakos or Spyridon Kakos) [Σπύρος Κάκος] is a thinker located in Athens, Greece. He has been Chief Editor of Harmonia Philosophica since its inception. In the past he has worked as a senior technical advisor for many years. In his free time he develops software solutions and contributes to the open source community [Codeproject]. He is the creator of Huo Chess, one of the smallest micro-chess programs. He has also worked as a phD researcher in the Advanced Materials sector studying the use of PPy in the PCB industry. He likes reading and writting, not only philosophy but also in general. He believes that science and religion are two sides of the same coin and is profoundly interested in Religion and Science philosophy. His philosophical work is mainly concentrated on an effort to free thinking of "logic" and reconcile all philosophical opinions under the umbrella of the "One" that Parmenides - one of the first thinkers - visualized. The "Harmonia Philosophica" articles program is the tool that will accomplish that. Life's purpose is to be defeated by greater things. And the most important things in life are illogical. We must fight the dogmatic belief in "logic" if we are to stay humans... Credo quia absurdum!
      skakos says:

      If it is tested and confirmed then we should have a look…

  16. But some of these people ARE cold.
    And it is a misfortune that whenever a not-so-cold man comes into play, they automatically characterize him as “graphical” and take him out of the equation…

    Very few are truly cold. Most are actually gibberingly excitable. They are passionate at what they do and throw themselves into it.

    Many of the best scientists are the eccentric ones. Admittedly if they become too eccentric then they can be discredited, but that’s when they start making up theories with no evidence and purport them as certain to the public. (not to be insulting as I don’t hold this view personally, but I have a feeling that that may come close to how anti-religious atheists might view religion).

    The ones who are cold might make discoveries, probably not at a greater rate than anyone else. It may even look good on paper. But when presenting their findings on stage, or to the public, they will always find it harder to gain a crowd.

    The science people know best, is the one they either here from people they know (which can often be wrong or distorted,causing to misinterpretations) or that which they hear from public appearances on places such as TV and radio. Almost all of the ones on TV are by the nations loved scientists, like David Attenborough, Brian Cox or Robert Winston (to name a few loved British ones).

  17. The answer is simple: that is what theories do! Unless you really believe that we are at the bottom of ANYTHING in the field of science.

    Theories don’t change, they either get discarded, or they evolve. Big difference.

    If they are wrong, we will get rid of them and start again. That’s probably one of the hardest things to do in science as you have to change the opinion of an entire community and will often cause a paradigm shift.

    Evolving a theory however is different. You will change details, add bits on, but the general idea is the right one. It may eventually be discarded if something is found that disproves and replaces it. But that becomes unlikely after a while, as more and more evidence is shown to support what we know.

    Admittedly physics is staring down the face of this possibility right now with the Higgs-Boson. But that doesn’t mean what we know is wrong, it just means that we don’t know how it works.

  18. Concerning humanity and science:

    Its probably better to give these things titles.

    Yes you are right, the church puts food and money and work into areas that need it in the world.

    Science however does help the world, but it is less direct.

    The cars, planes and machines that made the food and transported them. That was science.

    It is because of science that we can find out about tragedies throughout the world, and get there fast enough to help out.

    Science is largely based on curiosity, but it is also based on advancing us as a society. I am not talking about CD players and apple. I mean world saving advances, renewable energy, ways to grow crops in deserts to assure more food for the world, transport systems so we can get to places. Understanding chemistry allows us to understand food. It allows us to make the right nutrients to give these people.

    It does not give out the money and food to help these people directly, but it supplies the means of helping them.

    1. good point. with regard to the food for the poor and such, there are literally countless charitable organizations around the world that do this without any affiliation to any religion.

  19. Yes but the majority of science that is done now is based on theories. And a hell of a lot of science isn’t maths!

    Maths is simply a basis for explaining things in a simpler, easier and shorter method.

    Newton had to write an entire book to explain just a few one line equations.

    I do not look at a house and see an equation, but by referring to things with equations, understanding it can be made easier.

    Grand scientific theories that have formed the basis for modern research however is very difficult to argue against, and claiming it is fallible because of axioms is akin to pointing at the world and saying it is all an assumption.

    As Descartes said: Cogito ergo sum – I think, therefore I am.

    There is only one thing in this world we can be sure of, that we exist. Everything else can be called an illusion. But we do not walk into this world and disbelieve everything. Thus just because some science is based on axioms, we do not look at it and discount everything that there is because of a definition.

    You can, but the argument will lead to nothing. Science is based on axioms, so therefore it does not exist. Religion is based on faith and therefore does not exist.

    All we have left is Descartes and his meditations. Granted it is a quick way to end the discussion…

    Also if you talk of cutting edge research, which may not be attributed to a mainstream theory, it will almost always be based on evidence. Sometimes it is flimsy, and sometimes there is no evidence, and is instead an axiom. But these are viewed very sceptically by the community, and people will instead try to find evidence for the theory before bringing it to the wider community.

  20. You had a much better method for commenting with a so much content!

    So I will comment in tandem:

    You are right that scientists try to replicate things so that they can study things in detail.

    However, one of the largest parts of science is not the discoveries you make, it is the ways we find to make them. You’d be surprised how much can be replicated in a lab.

    For that which we have not found a way yet, we will study the instance as well as we can. Hence why NASA sends probes into space to detect anything they can. That is seen as suitable enough to collect proper research.

    You are right of course about love, I will not say that measuring it and defining it’s biological boundaries is as intuitive as feeling it yourself.

    But that wasn’t the point. We may have emotions and understand them as a human. Science instead explores emotion and wants to know how we have them, and what purpose they serve.

    What you will see is that scientists will refer in their papers to the biological purpose of love. They might be unemotional in writing, and the phrases used may be cold, but the meaning is of love. And in this case it will most likely be in referral to forming and maintaining families to ensure the safety of a group of animals, especially children. This would have been known before to scientists, as it is obvious and only requires an awareness of your own feelings, but how it came about will be of importance for our biological history.

    I know it sounds cold, and may seem to take away from the emotion. But firstly, that is mainly what the emotion is. And secondly the scientists do feel this emotion, they are not aiming to take away from it, only to understand it more fully.

  21. skakos – Athens, Greece – Spiros Kakos (or Spyros Kakos or Spyridon Kakos) [Σπύρος Κάκος] is a thinker located in Athens, Greece. He has been Chief Editor of Harmonia Philosophica since its inception. In the past he has worked as a senior technical advisor for many years. In his free time he develops software solutions and contributes to the open source community [Codeproject]. He is the creator of Huo Chess, one of the smallest micro-chess programs. He has also worked as a phD researcher in the Advanced Materials sector studying the use of PPy in the PCB industry. He likes reading and writting, not only philosophy but also in general. He believes that science and religion are two sides of the same coin and is profoundly interested in Religion and Science philosophy. His philosophical work is mainly concentrated on an effort to free thinking of "logic" and reconcile all philosophical opinions under the umbrella of the "One" that Parmenides - one of the first thinkers - visualized. The "Harmonia Philosophica" articles program is the tool that will accomplish that. Life's purpose is to be defeated by greater things. And the most important things in life are illogical. We must fight the dogmatic belief in "logic" if we are to stay humans... Credo quia absurdum!
    skakos says:

    You say “Science may sound cold to many people. But it is, in the end, led by real people”

    Yes, I agree.
    But some of these people ARE cold.
    And it is a misfortune that whenever a not-so-cold man comes into play, they automatically characterize him as “graphical” and take him out of the equation…

  22. skakos – Athens, Greece – Spiros Kakos (or Spyros Kakos or Spyridon Kakos) [Σπύρος Κάκος] is a thinker located in Athens, Greece. He has been Chief Editor of Harmonia Philosophica since its inception. In the past he has worked as a senior technical advisor for many years. In his free time he develops software solutions and contributes to the open source community [Codeproject]. He is the creator of Huo Chess, one of the smallest micro-chess programs. He has also worked as a phD researcher in the Advanced Materials sector studying the use of PPy in the PCB industry. He likes reading and writting, not only philosophy but also in general. He believes that science and religion are two sides of the same coin and is profoundly interested in Religion and Science philosophy. His philosophical work is mainly concentrated on an effort to free thinking of "logic" and reconcile all philosophical opinions under the umbrella of the "One" that Parmenides - one of the first thinkers - visualized. The "Harmonia Philosophica" articles program is the tool that will accomplish that. Life's purpose is to be defeated by greater things. And the most important things in life are illogical. We must fight the dogmatic belief in "logic" if we are to stay humans... Credo quia absurdum!
    skakos says:

    I agree witrh your points on human communication. We should all try more to have time with things and people we care about…

  23. skakos – Athens, Greece – Spiros Kakos (or Spyros Kakos or Spyridon Kakos) [Σπύρος Κάκος] is a thinker located in Athens, Greece. He has been Chief Editor of Harmonia Philosophica since its inception. In the past he has worked as a senior technical advisor for many years. In his free time he develops software solutions and contributes to the open source community [Codeproject]. He is the creator of Huo Chess, one of the smallest micro-chess programs. He has also worked as a phD researcher in the Advanced Materials sector studying the use of PPy in the PCB industry. He likes reading and writting, not only philosophy but also in general. He believes that science and religion are two sides of the same coin and is profoundly interested in Religion and Science philosophy. His philosophical work is mainly concentrated on an effort to free thinking of "logic" and reconcile all philosophical opinions under the umbrella of the "One" that Parmenides - one of the first thinkers - visualized. The "Harmonia Philosophica" articles program is the tool that will accomplish that. Life's purpose is to be defeated by greater things. And the most important things in life are illogical. We must fight the dogmatic belief in "logic" if we are to stay humans... Credo quia absurdum!
    skakos says:

    Concerning your question: “What makes you think that they will change?”

    The answer is simple: that is what theories do! Unless you really believe that we are at the bottom of ANYTHING in the field of science.

  24. skakos – Athens, Greece – Spiros Kakos (or Spyros Kakos or Spyridon Kakos) [Σπύρος Κάκος] is a thinker located in Athens, Greece. He has been Chief Editor of Harmonia Philosophica since its inception. In the past he has worked as a senior technical advisor for many years. In his free time he develops software solutions and contributes to the open source community [Codeproject]. He is the creator of Huo Chess, one of the smallest micro-chess programs. He has also worked as a phD researcher in the Advanced Materials sector studying the use of PPy in the PCB industry. He likes reading and writting, not only philosophy but also in general. He believes that science and religion are two sides of the same coin and is profoundly interested in Religion and Science philosophy. His philosophical work is mainly concentrated on an effort to free thinking of "logic" and reconcile all philosophical opinions under the umbrella of the "One" that Parmenides - one of the first thinkers - visualized. The "Harmonia Philosophica" articles program is the tool that will accomplish that. Life's purpose is to be defeated by greater things. And the most important things in life are illogical. We must fight the dogmatic belief in "logic" if we are to stay humans... Credo quia absurdum!
    skakos says:

    Concerning humanity and science:

    I agree that science does good. But it would be too much to claim that “science brought the food on the table” in a society which is dominated by “scientific materialism” and which laughs at the church, while at the same time we see no “scientific foundation” or insitution doing anything good with billions they get for people starving. In the case for Greece I can have a better view than you have, trust me. However I do admit that being a “good person” is FOR SURE not a priviledge of ANY specific group of people!

  25. skakos – Athens, Greece – Spiros Kakos (or Spyros Kakos or Spyridon Kakos) [Σπύρος Κάκος] is a thinker located in Athens, Greece. He has been Chief Editor of Harmonia Philosophica since its inception. In the past he has worked as a senior technical advisor for many years. In his free time he develops software solutions and contributes to the open source community [Codeproject]. He is the creator of Huo Chess, one of the smallest micro-chess programs. He has also worked as a phD researcher in the Advanced Materials sector studying the use of PPy in the PCB industry. He likes reading and writting, not only philosophy but also in general. He believes that science and religion are two sides of the same coin and is profoundly interested in Religion and Science philosophy. His philosophical work is mainly concentrated on an effort to free thinking of "logic" and reconcile all philosophical opinions under the umbrella of the "One" that Parmenides - one of the first thinkers - visualized. The "Harmonia Philosophica" articles program is the tool that will accomplish that. Life's purpose is to be defeated by greater things. And the most important things in life are illogical. We must fight the dogmatic belief in "logic" if we are to stay humans... Credo quia absurdum!
    skakos says:

    My answer for (4):

    You refer mainly to theories. And theories work indeed like that. However I talk about axioms. Every theory is based on at least some axioms. If you see mathematics for example (which many consider as the “purest” of all sciences) you can set whatever axiom you like and then build all the way up a complete theory. So again: Go a step back and look into axioms. Not theories.

  26. skakos – Athens, Greece – Spiros Kakos (or Spyros Kakos or Spyridon Kakos) [Σπύρος Κάκος] is a thinker located in Athens, Greece. He has been Chief Editor of Harmonia Philosophica since its inception. In the past he has worked as a senior technical advisor for many years. In his free time he develops software solutions and contributes to the open source community [Codeproject]. He is the creator of Huo Chess, one of the smallest micro-chess programs. He has also worked as a phD researcher in the Advanced Materials sector studying the use of PPy in the PCB industry. He likes reading and writting, not only philosophy but also in general. He believes that science and religion are two sides of the same coin and is profoundly interested in Religion and Science philosophy. His philosophical work is mainly concentrated on an effort to free thinking of "logic" and reconcile all philosophical opinions under the umbrella of the "One" that Parmenides - one of the first thinkers - visualized. The "Harmonia Philosophica" articles program is the tool that will accomplish that. Life's purpose is to be defeated by greater things. And the most important things in life are illogical. We must fight the dogmatic belief in "logic" if we are to stay humans... Credo quia absurdum!
    skakos says:

    My answers for (1) and (2):

    My reference to “the lab” was meant to indicate that scientists want to replicate everything in order to be sure they get it. And this is a fact. This is why we spend billions of euro on CERN after all! Surely astronomers observe some things at the galaxy which they cannot replicate easily, but they try to replicate similar phenomana nevertheless.

    As far as how measurable things are, everything is a matter of definition. Surely you can find something (anything!) in the brain that changes when you love someone, define its measurement scale and the – tatata!!! – you can “measure” it. However this is not so intuitive and often goes against the very nature of the thing you attemp to “measure”. In love this is especially the case…

  27. Oh where do I begin…

    I guess with this:
    “In the same way religion has limits on its own! It is more a philosophical system of ethics with the goal of helping people and not a system of analyzing how the solar system works or how whales travel under water…”

    This is the main reason I liked the article as it completely agrees with my religious inclination. It is a guide for living, not an encyclopedia of life.

    The rest of this piece does not so much seem to be how to win an argument against religion though, but just solely about how to win against science. And I have a lot of problems with some of the points.

    1) “Science is the “systematic analysis of a sector” and not just measuring in a lab!” vs. “Exact science works with things that can be replicated in a lab! Not all things can!”

    Science works outside of the lab, as you say not everything can be replicated in a lab setting. Scientists aren’t going to let that stop them, they can still do research in the field.

    2) “Exact science only works with things which are measurable. However not all things are! Actually the most important things in life (like love) are not!”

    Are you sure about that? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love
    Everything can be measured, you just have to figure out what it is made of and how.And yes I realise that is a cold scientific response to the pure emotion of love. But it is measurable and, more importantly, it is inducible.

    3) “Many great scientists can think scientifically and religiously at the same time.” In fact quite a lot of the most famous were strongly religious. This points just a bit of support for what you’re saying.

    4) “Everything is based on AXIOMS! And BY DEFINITION, an axioms is something we take for granted even though it is not proved it is correct!”

    Ugh… this is misguided. An axiom is a convenient definition. Naturallyproper scientific technique requires doubt in all research. That way when we think of an idea, we do not prove it, we set about disproving it. If it cannot be disproven we will put it forward as a theory. In that sense there is no evidence and it is taken for granted.

    That’s a shallow view though. If you look a bit deeper, you will realise that whilst disproving the idea, the scientists would have gained a hell of a lot of proof for that idea.

    This proof will be taken into account, and therefore theories will gain weight. However it will never become a law due to the tiniest speck of a chance that something else could have caused the evidence to appear.

    It’s like me pushing someone, with everyone watching me push them. Everyone one sees me pushing the person. Everyone thinks it looks like me pushing that person. There is nothing else that they saw, felt or heard that suggests anything else could have happened. But just on the speculation that something else could have caused it, they say that it is only a theory.

    There is a lot of proof, and that in itself makes the theory evident, stopping the theory from being an axiom. It is only our forced scepticism that keeps it defined as such.

    5) “The most important things in life are your relationship with other people. And modern science is too materialistic and agnostic to see that.”

    Scientists are people. They have feelings and families. I doubt they all see these as consequential and unimportant. We all know life is the most important thing, and living it to the best we can.

    They are people who will naturally want to help. If you need someone to talk to, they can talk.

    Science in itself may be the exploration of how thing’s happen (by the way, in science, how=why. It happens because of this mechanism, that is why.), but it is in the end beneficial for society. It has helped our society.

    6) “In the 2011 crisis in Greece, it was the Church which provided food for free to the homeless, not “science””

    I can guarantee you that it was science that got the food there. And if there is a food crisis, it will probably be science that fixes it. It is science that detects and helps against earthquakes. That provides protection against floods. So on and so forth.

    7) “I would prefer not to have a GPS and have love!”

    You can’t have both?

    8)”Human problems are problems of trust, problems of personal communication. Saddly enough they are not solved throught e.g. the Internet, as we now know…”

    Do we? Some people may isolate themselves on the net, but they would probably have done the same without. Instead it has helped us to further communication, we can talk to our families no matter where they are in the world. We can stay connected with, as you say, what’s important.

    9) “it is important to remember that technology inventions are something different than science! Science is there to provide “models for prediction” not inventions!”

    Was it not science that gave us the knowledge to make these inventions?

    Mind you many of the worlds inventors, in the past and today, were scientists, just not all of them. Many of the most entrepreneurial weren’t, and they are often remembered with favour from some, but in the science community they do not hold the highest regard.

    10) “When the current theories will change, it will still continue to work no matter what!”

    What makes you think that they will change? In fact, if the CD player is still working, that is just a testimony to how good the old theory was.

    Theories do not change all the time because science is ‘constantly changing’. Science changes because it discovers new fields, new ideas. But many theories will stay and not be changed, because although they are ‘axioms’ =, they very likely to be true (although never certain, as I said we can never be certain, just like in religion, there is never ‘proof’)

    11) “People like arts. In a way this is one of the few things which defines us as humans. How can science understand that? How can it understand why you may cry when you hear a loved song or why you could be thrilled when you see a painting? Being human is more about painting and poetry than it is about making microchips…”

    I quoted the whole section there…

    We like arts yes, and it interests scientists very much. So there has been extensive research into it. So yes we do understand a lot of the biological basis for liking the arts. What areas of the brain light up, how we perceive things. Why some colours work with others, why certain notes on a piano work together. All of this is very scientific when you think about it.

    And again, scientists are human, what makes you think that that’s all life is to them?

    I’m a scientist, but I play the piano, I go to concerts, I watch drama’s and I enjoy art galleries. I see family as the most important, and caring for and loving my children as the most important.

    Does this disqualify me from being a scientist?

    Science may sound cold to many people. But it is, in the end, led by real people.

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